Recording Meetings: A Supreme Court Case

Introduction

A meeting of an owners corporation or strata committee cannot be recorded without the consent of those present at the meeting.  This is because section 7 of the Surveillance Devices Act 2007 prohibits a person using a listening device to record a private conversation and conversations at meetings that cannot be attended by members of the public involve private conversations.

But what happens when those present at a meeting know that the meeting is being recorded, do not object to the recording and allow the meeting to continue whilst it is being recorded?  In those circumstances, do those who attend the meeting grant their implied consent to the meeting being recorded?  A recent Supreme Court case helps provide the answer to that question.

Facts

Several people were having a conversation on a property.  One of them used a mobile phone to take a video recording of the conversation.  The recording of the conversation by use of the mobile phone was obvious.  And one of the people involved in the conversation stated that it was being recorded and explained why.  One of the parties to the conversation did not object to the recording and continued to converse with the others present.  A minute or so later that person said “What’s all this videoing shit?” whilst smiling and gesturing towards the camera as he continued to converse with the others. The person also raised his hand towards the camera at various times in order to placate the concerns of the others during a heated discussion about the removal of a power pole on their property.

The Decision

A dispute between the parties to the conversation ended up in the Supreme Court.  The person who was filmed objected to the video recording of the conversation being adduced in evidence.  The Court had to decide whether the video of the conversation was taken with the implied consent of that person.  The Court concluded that it was because that person had knowledge that the conversation was being recorded, he could see and was told that he was being filmed and he accepted that in order to continue to have the conversation with the others he would be filmed.  At no point did the person object to being filmed as a condition of continuing the conversation.  For these reasons, the Court permitted the video recording of the conversation to be admitted into evidence because it did not fall foul of the prohibition in section 7 of the Surveillance Devices Act 2007.

Conclusion

The case provides a salutary lesson for those who attend meetings of an owners corporation or strata committee that are being recorded.  If those present know that the meeting is being recorded, do not object to the recording and continue with the meeting, then there is a good argument that they have impliedly consented to the recording of the meeting and cannot later object to the recording being used for any legitimate purpose including as evidence in litigation.

Case: Brown v Etna Developments Pty Ltd (Surveillance Devices) [2025] NSWSC 218


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How do You Make Landlords Accountable for Tenants?

Back in 2018, NCAT decided that a landlord is not responsible for ensuring that his or her tenants comply with the by-laws that apply to a strata building.  That decision was confirmed by the Appeal Panel of NCAT in Feletti -v- Eales [2019] NSWCATAP 100.

Therefore, if a tenant is breaching a by-law, the owners corporation of the building is not normally entitled to take action against the landlord to require the landlord to ensure that his or her tenant complies with the by-law.

This means that the owners corporation needs to take action against the tenant instead of the landlord which it may not want to do because tenants come and go and it can be difficult to enforce NCAT orders against them.

How to Make Landlords Accountable for Tenants in Strata?

There is, however, a solution to the problem.

  • An owners corporation can make a by-law that requires landlords to ensure that their tenants comply with the by-laws.
  • That by-law will give the owners corporation the right to take action against a landlord when his or her tenants breach the by-laws.
  • The by-law goes one step further and will also allow an owners corporation to take action against both landlords and tenants whose guests and invitees breach the by-laws.

Tenancy Laws are Changing in NSW in 2025

More recently the NSW Government has committed to ending ‘no grounds’ evictions. This means that the landlord will need a valid reason to end a tenancy, making it even more challenging for owners corporations if they’re a bad tenant – new laws are expected to be passed in 2025.

It’s now even more important that strata schemes consider introducing the following by-law to ensure a thriving and a well-run scheme.

We have drafted a by-law and a number of strata managers have introduced the by-law into the strata schemes they manage.

We expect that the by-law will prove very useful for owners corporations who introduce it because it will allow those owners corporations to take action against landlords whose tenants are breaching the by-laws.


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Can you Ban Smoking without a By-law?

Restricting or Banning Smoking in Strata

As of 1 May 2024 body corporate’s in Queensland are permitted to introduce by-laws that specifically prohibit or restrict smoking or inhaling of smoking products on common property of strata buildings.

As Queensland grapples with these changes, in NSW there are still many buildings that do not have a by-law concerning smoking, even though they are permitted to do so. This has raised questions such as:

  • Is it possible to stop people smoking in a strata building without a by-law that bans smoking?
  • If it is possible to stop smoking without a by-law, is it still necessary or desirable to have a by-law that bans or restricts smoking and, if so, why?

Banning Smoking without a By-Law

Somewhat surprisingly, it is possible to stop residents of a strata building smoking in their lots or on common property without a specific by-law that prohibits smoking.  Section 153 of the Strata Schemes Management Act 2015 prohibits residents from using or enjoying their lots in a manner or for a purpose that causes a nuisance or hazard to another resident. There have been several cases over the past years in which NCAT has made orders prohibiting residents in strata buildings from smoking on the basis that smoke caused by smoking constituted a nuisance to other residents in contravention of section 153.

NCAT Smoking Cases

In May 2019, a lot owner, Martin Gisks, succeeded in obtaining an order from NCAT prohibiting the resident of another lot in his building smoking on her balcony or in her bedrooms and requiring that resident to close all exterior doors and bedroom and bathroom windows when smoking inside her lot (Gisks v The Owners – Strata Plan No. 6743 [2019] NSWCATCD 44).

In October 2022, lot owners in a different building, Mr Pittman and Ms Cartwright, obtained orders from NCAT prohibiting the owners of another lot smoking or permitting any other person to smoke tobacco products on the balcony of their lot, and prohibiting them from permitting smoke from any tobacco product to be emitted from the interior of their lot into the lot of Mr Pittman and Ms Cartwright (Pittman v Newport [2022] NSWCATCD 173).

More recently, in June 2023, an owner in a strata building, Haydn Shaw, obtained an NCAT order prohibiting the owner and resident of another lot permitting the smoking of tobacco products in the courtyard of their lot (Shaw v Euen [2023] NSWCATCD 68).

In each case, NCAT concluded that the smoke caused by the smoking of cigarettes or tobacco products by residents constituted a nuisance which interfered with the amenity of other residents in contravention of section 153 of the Act.  It was on that basis that NCAT made orders prohibiting or restricting smoking in each of these cases.

Is a By-Law Banning Smoking Desirable?

These NCAT cases beg the obvious question:  does an owners corporation need to bother introducing a by-law prohibiting or restricting smoking?  The answer is “Yes” if the owners corporation wants to make it easier to ban or restrict smoking in its building.

This is because without a by-law that bans or restricts smoking:

  • the owners corporation may not have standing to apply to NCAT for orders to prohibit residents smoking in a way that causes a nuisance to other residents because the owners corporation itself has not suffered from that nuisance (The Owners – Strata Plan No. 2245 v Veney [2020] NSWSC 134); and
  • there is a need to prove that not only particular residents are smoking but also that the smoke from cigarettes or tobacco products has caused a nuisance to other residents by unreasonably and substantially interfering with the use and enjoyment of their lots (something which may be difficult to do).

In other words, if a by-law exists that bans smoking the owners corporation is able to enforce that by-law and to succeed it does not need to show that smoke from cigarettes constitutes a nuisance to other residents.  The owners corporation just needs to prove that particular residents are smoking in breach of the by-law.  That is much easier to do.

Conclusion

It is possible to stop residents smoking without a by-law that bans smoking.  However, it is much more difficult to do so because it requires proof that the smoking causes a nuisance to other residents.  And, there is real doubt that an owners corporation can apply to NCAT for an order to stop residents smoking in those circumstances.

Introducing a by-law prohibiting or restricting smoking overcomes those problems, gives the owners corporation the right to take steps through NCAT to prevent residents smoking and makes it easier for the owners corporation to win the case and put an end to smoking in its building.


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As Summer Heats up so do the Air Conditioning Disputes!

As Summer Heats up so do the air conditioning complaints!

Summer is here and it’s predicted to be a hot summer season with temperatures in the high 30’s and some days even reaching 40’s.

It’s the time of year when lot owners and tenants look to install and use air conditioners to relieve themselves from the oppressive heat.

Did you know air conditioners are high on the list for strata disputes?

Air conditioners can cause all types of complaints in strata such as:

  • What if the noise of the unit upsets the peace and quiet?
  • Who’s responsible for maintenance?
  • What if the unit leaks water into another apartment?
  • Is it in line with the appearance of the lot?
  • and much more!

A Good By-law Addressing Air Conditioning Units is Important

For these reasons it’s important that you have a good by-law in place regulating the installation and use of them  that covers the following (and much more):

  • What type of air conditioning equipment is appropriate?
  • Where can the unit be installed?
  • Will council approval be required?
  • Will owners corporation approval be required?
  • Will it be installed on common property?
  • Will a by-law be required for individual lots, or can it be covered under a general by-law?

A good by-law will ensure that your summer is as stress free as possible and reduces (and hopefully eliminates) any strata disputes in relation to air conditioners.


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Dealing with Adjoining Owners and Disputes

Strata Disputes – Under the Ground up in the Air and Everywhere in Between 

Strata disputes and common property come in all shapes and sizes, especially when dealing with neighbouring property owners.

As owners of real property, owners corporations find themselves dealing with the owners of neighbouring land in a multitude of circumstances.

Neighbouring Land Disputes

  • Easements
  • Ground Anchors
  • Cranes
  • Scaffolding
  • Trees, Fences and Walls
  • Law of Nuisance
  • Damage and Liability
  • And even, landslides

You’ve probably had reason to deal with one or more of the above – but if you haven’t, then get ready, because you almost certainly will at some point in time!

Read on… Common Property and Dealing with Adjoining Owners


DEALING WITH NEIGHBOURING PROPERTY – DO YOU NEED AN EASEMENT?


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Don’t You Dare Sue Me – Overstepping the Mark

Strata Lot Owner and Owners Corporation in Dispute

Is it legitimate for a lot owner to pressure an owners corporation not to sue her or defend legal action she takes against the owners corporation?  And what happens when the lot owner oversteps the mark?  Can the owner be held in contempt of court?  A recent NCAT case considered that very issue.

Background

There is an apartment building on Sydney’s lower North Shore which contains 6 lots.  For several years, the owners corporation and a lot owner have been in dispute about various matters.  The dispute culminated in proceedings being commenced by both the owners corporation and the owner in NCAT against each other.  The owners corporation alleged that the owner engaged in conduct which was intended to intimidate, harass and deter the owners corporation from defending the proceedings she had commenced in NCAT against the owners corporation or to improperly induce a settlement of those proceedings.  The owners corporation applied to NCAT to have the owner referred to the Supreme Court for contempt or a finding that the owner was in contempt of NCAT and that she be punished and restrained from communicating with representatives of the owners corporation in certain ways.

Owner’s Conduct

The conduct of the owner which the owners corporation considered constituted contempt included threats of disciplinary action against the owners corporation’s solicitor made by the owner, communications by the owner which impugned the professional and mental capacities and motives of the owners corporation’s solicitor, contact by the owner with partners of the firm at which that solicitor worked concerning the conduct of the solicitor, contact by the owner with employers of strata committee members and references to family members of the strata committee members made by the owner in various communications.  The case of the owners corporation was that those communications by the owner impermissibly sought to pressure the owners corporation into deciding not to defend, or to settle, the proceedings in NCAT that the owner had commenced against the owners corporation.

The Law

A person can commit a contempt of court if he or she seeks to dissuade a litigant from prosecuting or defending proceedings by making unlawful threats, by abuse or by misrepresenting the nature of the litigation.  The law distinguishes between proper and improper pressure in punishing interference with litigants.  The question is whether the pressure sought to be applied in a particular case can be described as improper which, in turn, depends on all the circumstances of the case.  Improper pressure can interfere with the administration of justice and that is why it can constitute a contempt of court.

The Outcome

NCAT concluded that whilst some of the owner’s communications were inappropriate and included abusive emails that were puerile in their tone and content, the owners corporation did not prove that those communications caused the representatives of the owners corporation to be intimidated or caused the owners corporation to capitulate or settle the proceedings the owner had commenced against it.  In other words, even though the owner may have engaged in conduct which was intended to intimidate the owners corporation or its solicitor to discourage them from defending the proceedings, the evidence did not establish that the owner had been successful in doing so or had deterred, or was reasonably likely to deter, the owners corporation from defending the proceedings the owner had commenced against it or from prosecuting the proceedings it had commenced against the owner.  Consequently, NCAT concluded that it had not been established that the owner committed a contempt and therefore refused to refer the owner to the Supreme Court.

Anything Else?

The NCAT case contains an interesting, albeit brief, discussion of the consequences for an owner who sends threatening, rude or offensive communications to representatives of an owners corporation.  NCAT concluded that the owner’s communications may expose her to the risk of defamation proceedings and observed that communications which attempt to threaten, intimidate or influence witnesses are unlawful under the Crimes Act 1900 and that use of telecommunications devices, such as emails, that threaten or harass any person also constitutes criminal conduct under the Crimes Legislation Amendment (Telecommunications Offences and other Measures) Act (No. 2) 2004.  That indicates that representatives of the owners corporation who receive abusive, rude and offensive communications from an owner are not without remedy.

Case: The Owners – Strata Plan No. 38308 v Gelder (No. 2) [2023] NSWCATEN 7.


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NCAT Invalidates No Cooking By-law!

Can a by-law prohibit the cooking of food including toasting bread in a lot?

In short, the answer is “no” according to NCAT.  However, there is a silver lining in NCAT’s ruling.

 

The Background

There is a large residential strata building located in Newcastle, New South Wales.  The building contains 87 residential lots.  The building was previously an aged care facility.

The building contains a commercial kitchen for shared use by the building’s occupants.  Some of the lot’s also contain a kitchenette, other smaller lot’s do not and rely on the shared kitchen.

 

The By-law

The buildings cooking by-law prohibited the cooking of food in any lot without kitchen facilities. However, a lot owner objected to the by-law and applied to NCAT for an order to invalidate the by-law.

Here we share the case and outcome… NCAT Invalidates No Cooking By-law

 

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Does NCAT have the Power to Resolve all Strata Disputes?

A recent hot topic has been the width of the powers given to NCAT to resolve strata disputes.

In particular, can NCAT resolve any strata dispute or just some disputes?

This interesting issue was considered in a recent decision of the Appeal Panel of NCAT.

The Strata Schemes Management Act 2015 gives NCAT power to make orders to settle complaints or disputes about the operation, administration or management of strata schemes or the exercise of functions of an owners corporation.  But the width of that power is not entirely clear.

For example, does the power allow NCAT to make an order to resolve any strata dispute?

Here we share a recent case outcome Can NCAT Resolve Any Strata Dispute or Just Some Disputes?

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Owners Corporation Told to Repair Lot Property by NCAT

There is a common misconception that an owners corporation is not responsible for repainting a water damaged ceiling in a lot or repairing consequential water damage to a lot that is caused by a common property defect.

In a recent case, NCAT held that:

  • an owners corporation is responsible for carrying out those repairs;
  • the common property memorandum does not exempt an owners corporation from having to perform those repairs.

Here we discuss the case and explain why an owners corporation is not exempt from repairing damage to lot property NCAT Orders Owners Corporation to Repair Lot Property

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Webinar Recording: Pets in NSW Strata

Pets by-law expert, Adrian Mueller, Strata Lawyer talks pets with LookUpStrata in this recent webinar, covering the recent ‘Cooper’ case:

  1. How will you respond to the recent decision of the Court of Appeal in the Cooper case which says that a by-law prohibiting pets is invalid?
  2. Will you wait for the dust to settle before deciding what you will do?
  3. Or will you act now and change any by-law that prohibits pets?

As well as delving into this recent case and what it means for you, Adrian has also covered Q&A’s specifically focused on the topic of pets in NSW strata buildings.



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